I don't know what Tarvek's plan was either, wouldn't it be nice to know? I agree that for practical purposes, if Tarvek felt wasping Klaus was the lesser evil he might plan to do it; but I think he would have to expect some large amount of bad consequences to leaving Klaus free in order to consider it (civil war for example). Thus, if it was part of his plan, I would guess that it was a worst case back-up part of the plan. I'm not sure that in that case I could even disagree with the boy myself.
Even so, Gil has a right to be deeply, coldly angry with Tarvek even if Klaus doesn't die; because Klaus has been wasped and Tarvek was an integral part of the chain of events leading to that consequence. Certainly we've seen Gil be furious with far less reason in canon. I suspect Klaus himself would find it easier to forgive Tarvek, and he's no mush-bunny. It certainly provides excellent plot points for the Foglios to use, again with the both sides have *reason* for their behavior, reason we can understand and empathize with.
Now, we have seen Agatha forgive Von Pinn for killing her parents; and both boys have forgiven Agatha for hurting Von Pinn so very badly. There's precedent for forgiveness in the story of precisely this situation.
And Gil needs Tarvek, needs him to save Agatha; he must work with him and he knows it. He's had a bit of acceptance and forgiveness already; though while in denial of Klaus being wasped, so it isn't, can't be, the final forgiveness. Gil saved Tarvek, sent him to Agatha in the flyer after Tarvek confessed to plotting to wasp Klaus, so there's been forgiveness for the plan. He didn't even seem particularly angry with Tarvek at that time, after the initial flare of temper in the hallway. So I think, I think that he can work through the knowledge that wasping did indeed happen.
Klaus has raised Gil to be pragmatic, and not to flinch at dark solutions to problems. I think that if Gil can be brought to listen to Tarvek, and is given some time to really digest the whole thing, that he will be able to forgive Tarvek's grey pragmaticism here. Huh? I wonder if that's one reason Gil was so reluctant to believe Klaus had actually been wasped? (It is easier to forgive an evil plan that didn't succeed than one that did.) Because he didn't want that conflict with Tarvek? Of course it's also a horrible fate for his father that would be hard to accept. I wonder if Gil growing the ability to forgive could be one of the points of this plotline?
It will be an easier journey for Gil if Tarvek can make some sort of restitution to Klaus; help him in some way, as Gil made it easier for Agatha by rebuilding her parents. I don't see the pathway here, but I can see that it might exist. The only guess I have is the very unlikely one that if Tarvek can move Klaus's personality into Olga's unoccupied body; the wasping might be undone that way.
I'd love to peek into Tarvek's head and see where he thinks Lunevka is. One of the things that perturbs me is the possible multiplication of Lu's in this story with the expanded parameters of the Summoning Engine. It's so very messy for the plot when there could be umpteen villains. But with that many potential Lu's and Tarvek knowing there might be so many, his concern is well founded. His ability to recognize Lu's personality may be essential if there do get to be a lot of them.
I am very worried that Klaus will die. I am somewhat less worried that Gil will have to do the killing. I am *hoping* that the wasping will be a sufficient stripping away of his parent from Gil, that Klaus will, in fact, not have to die as Agatha's parents and Tarvek's family did for their journeys. It would not surprise me if Bangladesh, as Gil's sister substitute, did die. It's a mark of my own lack of morals, I suspect, that her death wouldn't bother me nearly as much as Klaus's.
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Re: Tarvek's original goals...(fret-fret)
Date: 2012-04-26 10:51 pm (UTC)Even so, Gil has a right to be deeply, coldly angry with Tarvek even if Klaus doesn't die; because Klaus has been wasped and Tarvek was an integral part of the chain of events leading to that consequence. Certainly we've seen Gil be furious with far less reason in canon. I suspect Klaus himself would find it easier to forgive Tarvek, and he's no mush-bunny. It certainly provides excellent plot points for the Foglios to use, again with the both sides have *reason* for their behavior, reason we can understand and empathize with.
Now, we have seen Agatha forgive Von Pinn for killing her parents; and both boys have forgiven Agatha for hurting Von Pinn so very badly. There's precedent for forgiveness in the story of precisely this situation.
And Gil needs Tarvek, needs him to save Agatha; he must work with him and he knows it. He's had a bit of acceptance and forgiveness already; though while in denial of Klaus being wasped, so it isn't, can't be, the final forgiveness. Gil saved Tarvek, sent him to Agatha in the flyer after Tarvek confessed to plotting to wasp Klaus, so there's been forgiveness for the plan. He didn't even seem particularly angry with Tarvek at that time, after the initial flare of temper in the hallway. So I think, I think that he can work through the knowledge that wasping did indeed happen.
Klaus has raised Gil to be pragmatic, and not to flinch at dark solutions to problems. I think that if Gil can be brought to listen to Tarvek, and is given some time to really digest the whole thing, that he will be able to forgive Tarvek's grey pragmaticism here. Huh? I wonder if that's one reason Gil was so reluctant to believe Klaus had actually been wasped? (It is easier to forgive an evil plan that didn't succeed than one that did.) Because he didn't want that conflict with Tarvek? Of course it's also a horrible fate for his father that would be hard to accept. I wonder if Gil growing the ability to forgive could be one of the points of this plotline?
It will be an easier journey for Gil if Tarvek can make some sort of restitution to Klaus; help him in some way, as Gil made it easier for Agatha by rebuilding her parents. I don't see the pathway here, but I can see that it might exist. The only guess I have is the very unlikely one that if Tarvek can move Klaus's personality into Olga's unoccupied body; the wasping might be undone that way.
I'd love to peek into Tarvek's head and see where he thinks Lunevka is. One of the things that perturbs me is the possible multiplication of Lu's in this story with the expanded parameters of the Summoning Engine. It's so very messy for the plot when there could be umpteen villains. But with that many potential Lu's and Tarvek knowing there might be so many, his concern is well founded. His ability to recognize Lu's personality may be essential if there do get to be a lot of them.
I am very worried that Klaus will die. I am somewhat less worried that Gil will have to do the killing. I am *hoping* that the wasping will be a sufficient stripping away of his parent from Gil, that Klaus will, in fact, not have to die as Agatha's parents and Tarvek's family did for their journeys. It would not surprise me if Bangladesh, as Gil's sister substitute, did die. It's a mark of my own lack of morals, I suspect, that her death wouldn't bother me nearly as much as Klaus's.